A couple weeks ago I opened my inbox and found an email titled "Paw paws!"
As you can imagine, the subject line piqued my interest, and when I opened it, I learned that Dan Carpenter of Murray, Utah, has been working on growing pawpaws here in Utah. (By the way, I'm using his name with permission--I wouldn't just publish the name of someone who contacted me without their permission.) He had a few questions he wanted to bounce off me on the two cultivars he's planted (the NC-1 and the Mango).
In emailing with him, it also struck me that he might be up for being a guinea pig, as the first in a running series of blogposts titled "Utah Pawpaw Growers," which would feature email interviews with...(this may surprise you)...people in Utah who are growing pawpaws. As I explained by email: "Planting pawpaws in Utah--that's not normal like planting apple trees or peach trees; there's always a story about why someone decides to plant pawpaws in Utah. And I'm wondering if you'd be interested in being first in the series? I'm thinking in terms of a type of email interview, where I might send you a series of questions and you could write short answers to them. And then people featured in the series could send a few pics of their trees to be posted in the blog entry along with their answers." I also added: "If you were up for something like that, you could choose either to use your name or you could be anonymous or use initials or just a first name." He said it was fine to use his name, since he's had an online presence for years and hasn't worried about anonymity.
So here's Dan, responding to a few questions from me (all links added by me):
BR: How did you first hear of pawpaws?
DC: I first hear about Pawpaws a couple years back, on The Survival Podcast. Jack Spirko is a big fan of looking "off the menu" for uncommon fruits and vegetables that can be grown, instead of only replicating the things that you see in your local supermarket. From his description, Pawpaws sounded fantastic, so I looked them up.
BR: Why pawpaws and not peaches?
DC: Why not both?!! I don't actually grow peaches (yet), but I do have a nectarine tree, an apricot tree, a dwarf pear tree, a grafted apple tree, a Jujube tree, 2 Black Mulberry trees, 2 kinds of grapes, Gojis, raspberries, blackberries, honeyberries, and a bunch of other herbs. I'm into FOOD. :-) Having said all that however, the Pawpaws do sound the most exotic and wonderful, so they do occupy a special place of hope in my heart.
BR: Which pawpaw cultivars did you choose and why?
DC: I have an NC-1, and a Mango. I chose them because they sounded so good!! :-) I was also fairly active in the Utah Backyard Homesteading Facebook group, and there were a couple people in that group that had Pawpaws, and still hadn't killed them.
BR: Any challenges you've experienced growing pawpaws in Utah? How have you dealt with those challenges?
DC: Yes!!! I was very worried about my brand new little Pawpaw seedlings in the merciless summer of the Utah desert, so I planted my Pawpaw seedlings in large pots, and kept them inside my wood shop. I made a Youtube video about this, and called them my "Pot Paws." Both my little seedlings are tiny little 12" tall twigs. I think my plants may be getting nutrient deficient. Halfway through the summer, the Mango Pawpaw's leaves began to get a little yellowy. At the time, I though it may be too little water, so I tried to water more. The leaves continued to get splotchier and curled up. It has looked like it's been dead for the last couple months, but I've continued to water it, hoping that the roots may still be alive, and come back next spring. over the last few weeks, the NC-1's leaves are beginning to look like that as well. I'm not sure what to do. [BR's note: I'm including Dan's pics below, with some discussion of what may be ailing them and some suggestions on an approach to planting pawpaws in Utah that I've had success with.]
BR: If you've already eaten a pawpaw, what would you compare the taste to?
DC: Sadly, I've never tasted Pawpaws. I tried mightily this last month however, when my family was in Florida and North Carolina. No amount of calling the colleges and growers, asking at wildlife preserves, or stopping at farmer's markets and fruit stands resulted in a single solitary Pawpaw. Sniff :-(.....................[BR's note: I just wanted to mention that although Dan and I are both Utah pawpaw growers, we only met because he went to North Carolina and talked on the phone with Derek Morris of the North Carolina Pawpaw Festival, whose NC Pawpaw Festival Facebook page has linked to my blog several times. When Dan and Derek were talking on the phone and Derek realized Dan was from Utah, he told him about a guy--me--out in Utah growing pawpaws. It's a little wild--and a lot fortuitous--that two Utah pawpaw growers would be introduced to each other by the North Carolina Pawpaw Festival's organizer.]
BR: Is there a question about pawpaws that you wish I had asked but didn't? What's the question and how would you answer it?
DC: There are a lot of questions that I still have, but I'm not sure my little trees will even make it, so I don't think I have any answers yet!
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| Dan took this pic earlier this year when he was planting his pawpaws |
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| This is the NC-1 that Dan refers to above. Pic taken this month, Oct 2016. Note the leaves looking wilty and unhealthy. The look similar to my Wells pawpaw earlier this year. To read about how I approached this problem, take a look here and here.............But I'm not sure it's the same problem. When Dan and I talked, he explained that he had been giving them a lot of water, which is similar to what I do for my pawpaws. But I speculated that it could be that with my pawpaws (which are in the ground), the excess water drains away. And with his pawpaws (which are in containers), the excess water may be drowning the roots? I told him that every time I've planted a pawpaw tree in Utah, I've planted it in the spring, having it delivered from One Green World in April or May and planting it in the ground immediately. I've only lost one pawpaw with this approach, and that was because the graft failed. So that's my recommended approach to planting pawpaws in Utah: spring planting in the ground, and plenty of water, counting on that excess water will sink into the ground and not waterlog the soil. Here's a post detailing how I planted two pawpaw trees in spring of this year. |
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| Another view of Dan's NC-1 |
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| Dan's Mango cultivar, which as he mentioned lost its leaves earlier this season after planting. I'm not sure why, but if I were to take a stab, I'd suggest either over-watering or graft failure. He's right that the roots are probably still alive, and .... |
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| This is also of Dan's Mango cultivar--looks like there's an upper branch that lost all its leaves and a lower branch (pictured here) that still has some shriveled leaves hanging on. |
Also, here's the Youtube video Dan referenced in his answers: "Pot Paws." You'll see that in the video, he's concerned about his pawpaws getting too much sun. It's a legitimate concern, and he's got a good solution, I think. But my understanding (as I told him when we talked) is that this would be a good approach to seedlings (pawpaw plants that have just germinated during the present season), while grafted cultivars are already old enough that we don't need to worry about them getting a sunburn. That's been my experience anyway.
I am growing 14 paw paw trees in the coldest part of Cache Valley near Logan. They survived -32 degree temperatures in January. Peaches are not hardy in our area, but paw paw trees are. They are very healthy and green. Most are small but one is over 10 years old and has bloomed for the last two years. It's about 10 feet tall.
ReplyDeleteThis is great to hear about. I'd love to see some pics of your pawpaw trees if you're willing to share, or if not pics then just to hear about how you got into pawpaws. You can email me at brr29@yahoo.com
DeleteWhere is the best place to buy paw paw trees?
ReplyDeleteI've bought all of mine from One Green World, mail ordered from Oregon.
DeleteIs there anywhere in Utah I could get my hands on some paw paw to taste it? I'm very interested in growing some but I don't know if I even like them!
ReplyDeleteYou can try emailing me at brr29@yahoo.com in September. We've often got a few pawpaws to spare.
DeleteI just planted a Shenandoah, Wabash and Susquehanna pawpaw on 4/11/2020. One is in a very sunny location the other two i planted in a partial shady area. We will see what happens i guess. I'm in Centerville, Utah.
ReplyDeleteAwesome. Keep me updated!
DeleteI'm in Cedar City, I have one seeding pawpaw and one Shenandoah that I got from Edible Landscaping in VA, they are just barely hanging on. I'm looking for other people in my local area who might have pawpaws to compare notes.
ReplyDeleteWe just bought 2 from walmart.com. My husband grows bananas in Cedar City so he thought it'll be fun to try paw paws.
DeleteUsually when plants do this with their leaves (I know plants not trees) its because they are eating themselves to stay alive. They are using up all available nutrients to keep the plant and roots alive. Looks like nutrient deficiency to me.
ReplyDeleteI have two paw paws and they are beautiful. No fruit but still nice plants.
ReplyDeleteI think I can answer some of the questions on this string. I just moved to Provo, UT, where I have a Susquehanna pawpaw about 5 years old, which is thriving and blooming, and am now planting 2 other varieties for cross-pollination. I have grown them successfully in California, though, in an area with similar challenges (hot, dry summers, alkaline soil & water, etc.) Here are some observations:
ReplyDelete1. Taste: Pawpaws have a rich, sweet taste, with a texture and flavor reminiscent of custard, white to dark yellow in color, and the flavor varies quite a bit by variety. The skin is soft, but bitter and inedible; seeds are large, elongated, and not bothersome. Size and shape is similar to a potato. The fruit are very perishable, but keep for a few days in the refrigerator.
2. Growth: The plants come small and grow VERY slowly the first 2-3 years, then they take off and grow well. They need consistent care and regular watering during these first years. About the 3rd or 4th year they begin to flower. The trees tend to take a pyramidal shape, and in our hot climate did not get very tall, about 10 feet max in full sun. They do pretty well with partial shade, and I think that helps get them established. Leaves are long and pleasant to look at, and have an interesting burnt-tire odor when crushed. I doubt deer would touch them. The rootstock will sucker if you dig in the vicinity of a pawpaw, and the resulting plants can be vigorous, but don't give good fruit.
3. At least two varieties are needed to bear fruit, and they fruit much better if planted in close proximity to each other. I have tried hand-pollinating with a little paint brush, but I'm not sure that has made much difference, as a fair percentage of the fruit developed out of my reach. In our California climate they were never heavy fruiters, but I think they may do better in Utah, where I will plant specially bred cultivars in close proximity to each other.
4. Most varieties of Pawpaw being sold from nurseries are clones found in the wild, without any subsequent breeding work. These are adequate, but are probably not the best. There are now active breeding programs underway to improve the fruit, including factors such as flavor, size, productivity, reduced bitterness, and increased pulp-to-seed ratio. I would recommend the pawpaws from these programs, as they are likely to be greatly superior to those collected in the wild. I do NOT recommend that you plant the cheaper "seedling" pawpaws, as these are very likely to fruit poorly and have inferior fruit. I have ordered pawpaws from OneGreenWorld, from Raintree Nursery, and from Stark Brothers. The good varieties from the breeding programs are often out of stock, but they are worth waiting for.
The pawpaw is a great fruit, but it is too perishable to ship, so you will likely never taste it unless you grow it yourself, or know someone else who does. I hope this information is helpful.